Bryant Books

Throughout the 111 Saddle Club books, Bryant seized the opportunity to mold and develop the characters of Stevie, Lisa and Carole. After reading The Long Ride, it was plain to see that the three girls were still who they've always been, but now they're growing up and faced with new challenges. They are experiencing all the "baggage" involved with growing up: relationships, jobs, driving, and social "drama" - which was thick in this first installment.
With the Prologue focusing on the accident, it draws the reader in.
Who is Callie? Bryant did a superb job in developing her character: generally kind, yet intense and quick to judge - she must take after her father the senator.
What about Lisa? She seemed to be very much in the background of this story, however her going-away was at the hub. I am anxious to read about her adventures in California.
Although the Saddle Club books are charming and fun, I am looking forward to reading the rest of the Pine Hollow line-up. With the girls becoming more independent and having more responsibilities, they will continue to
be challenged and humbled.

This is the first book in a series that started with the Saddle Club, featuring the adventures of three girls: Carole, Stevie and Lisa who bonded over their love of horses. Now they are in high school, old enough to drive and date.

When new rider Callie comes to Pine Hollow, with her championship endurance horse, she and Carole don't hit it off. Meanwhile, Lisa is dealing with problems in her romance with Alex, Stevie's twin brother. Stevie is enjoying the freedom a new license brings. However, very soon, a car accident will change their lives forever.

The Long Ride is a grate book. Steive gets in a car reac it is really sad CAllie horse Ferz dies. I think you should read it to.

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I've been reading the Saddle Club books since I was a kid (now 22 years old). I still read them on occasion, as I'll always have a love for Stevie, Lisa, Carole and all the other characters at Pine Hollow. I found out about the Pine Hollow series, so I bought the first book. From the back it sounds like it starts when Lisa leaves for California (stresses that her relationship might not last the summer), talks about a car accident leaving a girl almost dead... and the prologue confirms that. A good 3/4+ of the book is backstory taking place BEFORE the car accident and Lisa leaving. The car accident finally happens, then there is just one or two chapters after that. Weeks fly by and TONS of important stuff happens and is just skimmed over. I would have preferred more depth to that area of the book, or to have left it out completely. I was interested in the parts about Stevie getting her job and Carole working at the stable. I did find Lisa and Alex's relationship to be kind of unbelievable. I didn't buy in to it at all. Maybe I will after I read more of the books in the series. Overall, not bad - just not what I was expecting from the back of the book.

What happened to the saddle club? The rules were must love horses and must help each other! They broke both these rules many times in this book? In the saddle club, it seemed like Carole, Stevie and Lisa were my best friends, in this book it seemed like they were my worst ememys! Who wrote this book? not Bonnie Bryant! I just know that after 111 touching, exciting, funny horsey books she couldn't just throw it all away! What happened? It's like a nightmare! I've been reading the saddle club for years, and this is about totally different people. No one could go from a wonderful person to the most terrible person in the world in a few years? Lisa dating Alex? Veronica married? Stevie giving up practical jokes? Carole selling Starlight? I THINK NOT!! A trillion thumbs down!!

Lori-Bryant Woolridge is one of my favorite authors. Her stories are vivid, poetic, well thought out, and entertaining.

But the problem that I had with this story is that it was too perfect, and too neat. I just thought it lacked realism in that sense. Nonetheless, it's worth reading.

The Book Arrived In Great Condition. I would Buy From This Reseller Again.

This novel was a great read. I was pulling for Melanie and John big time,but in the end you knew they were'nt going to be together. All in all "Hitts & Mrs. is fab. Lori Bryant-Woolridge, excellent storytelling.

The book raised some thought-provoking points about many issues that are important--especially to African-American women. Topics such as: the importance of career vs. relationships, finding one's identity independent of a man, the definition of a true friend, gaining respect in the workplace, the possibility of a platonic relationship with the opposite sex and of course, interracial dating are all covered in the book. The fact that John and Melanie had a deep, loving, non-sexual relationship helped the highlight the importance of finding the right qualities in the man of your dreams--many which may go beyond race or socio-economic status.

While all of this may sound "heavy" the book moves along smoothly and is a page turner. Great to take on a long weekend away or on a long plane ride! Once you finish, you'll find yourself thinking a lot about what you read.

This was not a romance novel by any stretch of the imagination. What we have in this book is a mentor/mentee relationship. John and Melanie were never lovers and I hardly consider their relationship even a friendship. I have a difficult time getting into a romance novel when the love expressed between the two main characters is that of a teacher and student. A complete waste of my time. This book was a complete miss!

I read Heated and Hot Like Fire out of order but it didn''t matter! Heated was just as the title says HEATED! The book had one enitre chapter of HOT, STEAMY PASSION!!!! Bianca and Kharon were hot for each other!!!!!

was a good quick read for me i gave it a 4 but would aim for 3.75 stars. But don't let that discourage you from reading it great love sences, the plot didn't really like so much.

The sexual tension between the characters Bianca and Kahron is intense. From the beginning the urgency of him passing her on the highway is the same urgency he took in having her as his women to Love and Protect. I have already orders Book#2 in the Strong Family series.

I really enjoyed this book. The heroine had a rough childhood and was estranged from her alcoholic father, but she returns home when he says he needs her. Between him being married to someone she went to high school with and the hot guy who wants to buy her father's land and wants her, she's got a lot to deal with. The romance is a little unconventional in that she knows she wants to sleep with him, but takes her time about her feelings for him. Combine that with someone out there trying to sabotage her father's ranch and her new lover the prime suspect makes for some interesting reading. The mystery is very interesting. I didn't suspect who all was involved for quite some time.
It's an interesting read and some very steamy love scenes. I'd highly recommend it if that's what you're looking for. Also, there's a sequel coming out involving the widower, single father brother of our hero. His first meeting with his heroine is very fiery. Can't wait to read that one too!

Noibia defintly knows how to write! the sex sences were hot!The plot well written and easy to follow.Characters are described so you can picture them cleary.Cant wait to read about Kade

In HORSE SHY, the second book in THE SADDLE CLUB series, Stevie, Carole, and Lisa finally get to go on the long-awaited Mountain Trail Overnight (or MTO). They have a great time, and things get even better for Carole when she gets back: she gets to care for Veronica's stallion, Cobalt. Veronica may be snobby, but Cobalt is beautiful and Carole loves him.

Then there's a tragic jumping accident and Cobalt is killed. Carole is devastated and swears that she'll never ride again. It's up to Lisa and Stevie to remind Carole how much she loves riding, and that life continues, maybe in ways that nobody expected.

HORSE SHY delves into deeper material than HORSE CRAZY, the first book in the series, with the death of a beloved horse, but Bryant still manages to keep it light for her readers, with a more than happy ending.

Reviewed by: Andie Z.

"Horse Shy" is the second in "The Saddle Club" series--one of many books in which the snobby Veronica demonstrates why she is so awful. Why is it so hard to believe that her wealthy parents bought her a stallion--Cobalt--to ride? The girl gets everything that she wants from her parents throughout the series, so her ownership of a stallion should not require any suspension of disbelief; it comes naturally.
The Saddle Club series is comprised of wonderful books fantastic for horse-crazy youth, and a perfect length for late elementary and middle school readers. When I was that age, I never put any of these books down, often re-reading them multiple times.

This is the second book in the saddle club series. I think that Horse Shy was better than horse crazy, but still was slightly unrealistic as well. After all, Stevie, Lisa, and Carole seem to have an unusual amount of luck with all the things throughout the series that happen to them! If you suspend your disbelief, you'll love this book and the rest of the series. I totally sympathize with Carole about how you can fall in love with a horse and want to quit riding forever when something happens to it. Overall, this book was pretty good, although as the series goes on, the books get better.

Not the premise that it's hard to say goodbye to a horse you love to the point where you may temporarily stop riding because it hurts so much. No, it's just that the horse in question is a STALLION. For a junior exhibitor. For one thing, riders who are under a certain age cannot compete on stallions (at least in most classes), so I guess Veronica had to be content with never showinig Cobalt. Also, she was scared of him and did not ride him well, so it is a surprise she did not get badly hurt earlier. Why, why, why, are stallions always the mount of choice for children and teens in books? Mares and geldings are just as capable of generating mystery and intrigue.

I really don't like these books. They're more about people relationships compared to horses. They're some of the worst horse books I've ever read. "Thoroughbred" books and the "Ashleigh" series are way better. I bought some "Saddle Club" books before I didn't know about them, I've given them all away. Stay away from these books!

In this book, Lisa is busy working on the set of a TV show out in California, and she seems to be having such a good time, her friends and boyfriend are worried that she might decide to stay out there and move in with her father and his new family for good. Can they persuade her to return to Willow Creek?

This book was soooo good.I was worried that Lisa wouldn't come home but she did and she would never disappoint Alex even if she wanted to stay and was all around guy TV stars that were cute.

This was a great book. I just recently got into the Pine Hollow series after 6 years of readign the Saddle Club. I love the series already. They keep getting better and better. In this book, Carole and Stevie visit Lisa, her father, stepmother and stepsister in Califronia. Carole falls in love with a movie star. But is he really what he seems? Stevie is trying to uncover a secret that a young actress that seems so depressed over...Carole is trying to have fun but keeps worrying about earthquakes and Stevie is still brooding over the accident that nearly claimed Callie's life. Back home, Alex is wondering if Lisa has fallen in love with a movie star. I loved this book and I would reccomend it for anyone ages 12 and up.

This is a great book. It will have you reading it until you are finished. The only problem is basically what separates Pine Hollow books from Bonnie Bryant's other books. The other books(The Saddle Club and Pony Tails) focus on horses, whereas the Pine Hollow books include school, driving, boyfriends, vacations, et cetera. This brings the amount of time for horses down a bit more than necessary. It would recieve a 5 if it had more horses in it.

TOO MUCH BOYS! TOO MUCH LOVEDOVEY JUNK! WHAT THE HECK WENT WRONG! I CAN'T BELIEVE THESE GIRLS! ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS BOYS, BOYS, BOYS! TOO MUCH OF IT! LESS OF HORSES, HORSES, HORSES! C'MON NOW!

My mother TOLD this story to her 5 children. She did not read it from a book. I have been charged with seeing that all her grandchildren and great grandchildren are told this story. Not the "revised" sterile version that I found so I could be sure of reciting in the right order. Now I've found this orginal book and and my nieces and nephews are anxiously awaiting story time and my mothers legacy that started back in the 1940's. They in turn will be charged with continuing this old old tradition. It's heartwarming to read that others share the same memories, and that some things thankfully never change.

Epaminondas and His Auntie

This is an old-world story, the theme as timeless as forever. It's a good reference for those who work with children & children's literature. The art work is as terrible as many others from it's era, & the vernacular is horrid. I would not read this to children today, altho it is a very valuable tool for historical purposes. It has been re-written for today's children in another title that is delightful.

My kids love this book especially there "Gram" is reading it. We video taped her reading it, just so we could have it for yrs and yrs to come. My kid love to watch and listen to her read it right before bed.

Reading some of the other reviews on this page shocked me. Turn the title around, and you find the "moral" of this book: Sadnonimape, which looks conspicuously like 'Sad No-name Ape'. This isn't a coincidence, and nearly drowning a puppy because you're trying to 'cool it before carrying it home' is not typical childish ineptitude. This book is racist to its core. The writing, the pictures, all convey derogatory stereotypes of black people. Anyone who does not understand these things has not fully recognized his or her own subscription to these stereotypes. I doubt anyone still says "My laws a-massy!". Please keep this book away from children. As a reminder of this country's shamefully racist past, this book succeeds, but any argument that calls this book benign forgets that before burning a cross on someone's lawn, you have to do the subversive, yet sometimes seemingly innocuous work of reducing that person to a stereotype such as that presented in Epaminondas.

I guess it depends through whose eyes you read this book. I am a black woman in my 40's and my mother told me this story when I was a child and as a teenager, when I was being short-sighted or too litteral about something, she would often call me "Epaminondas". I don't think that her intent was to be racist towards me, as it would seem an impossibility under the circumstances. What I do remember is that because of this story I am an out-of-the box thinker. I think quickly on my feet and can adapt very easily to changing circumstances by finding the common denominators in a situation, yet adjusting for possible variables. I want the same for my children and that is why I am buying them this book. Not everything in life has a racist or evil beginning, somethings are also just part of a tradition. It is only those with shame or guilt in their souls that see racism. Finally, for the uninformed "Epaminondas" was a greek political figure. Could it not simply be that he was named after him? Funny that you had time to turn the word around looking for the evil, rather than to appreciate the broader context of the story.

This book is a marvel of reporting. A tightly written exposure of eth Yawkey traditions and how the cronyism of the Sox ownership was teh real "curse" of the Sox. Sheds a whole new light on many Sox ball players such as Teddy, Joe Cronin, Pumpsie Green, Reggie Smith, Jim Rice, Yaz, Fisk, Ellis Burks, and Mo Vaughn. Bryant does a great job of weaving teh Red Sox pight witrh that of the Boston news media (Globe was a rag apparently not all too long ago) and teh city itself. As a new resident to the Boston area, I can still see the deep racial segregation that Bryant speaks of today. The odd thing as that the "economics of winning", meaning you pay for teh top player regardless of race, may be the end of racism in baseball. Capitalism trumps racism. Whooda thunk?

For all the talk of curses and other such nonsense, there is a very simple reason why the Boston Red Sox didn't win a championship for eighty six years. Racisim and poor managment. Howard Bryant reporting is impeccable. Whether Tom Yawkey was an outward racist isn't really the point. His orginization employed people who used race as a barometer for judgeing talent. Bryant brings to light in vivid detail Yawkey's penchant for handing over the keys to men of dubious character. Pinky Higgins a well known and notorious racist was repeatedly rehired over and over. Obviously signing a Jackie Robinson or Willie Mays wouldn't have guaranteed a championship, however the racial practices continued for years.Howard Bryant has done a compeling job of how race and plain stupidity kept the Red Sox SHUT OUT FOR EIGHTY SIX YEARS.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING BOOK AT TIMES AND VERY TRUE. THE AUTHOR SEEMS TO KEEP TELLING US ABOUT THE WORKOUT JACKIE ROBINSON HAD WITH THE RED SOX THAT WAS STAGED TO COVERUP THE TRUTH ABOUT PREJUDICE ON THE RED SOX. I GOT TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME THING TIME AFTER TIME IN THIS BOOK. ON THE GOOD SIDE HE MAKES A LOT OF POINTS WITH BILL RUSSELL, PUMPSIE GREEN, JIM RICE ETC. HE TRULY SHOWS HOW THE RED SOX HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES SLIP THRU THEIR HANDS BECAUSE OF THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARD BLACKS. WORTH READING.

In my opinion, the exploration of racism in the Boston Red Sox baseball organization is just an awesome, interesting topic for a book. Unfortunately Howard Bryant, the author of "Shut Out", is a man not nearly proficient enough to tell the tale.

As has been mentioned by numerous previous posters, his writing style is that which annoying repetition replaces clear and intelligible writing that would require him to make a point only once. (I figured out that Larry Whiteside was the first black sprotswriter for the Boston Globe on the first time I read it, but Bryant reiterates THE SAME EXACT POINT roughly another dozen times.)

His fact checking as well leaves a bit to be desired--to wit, Ken "Hawk" Harrelson played for the Sox in 1967-68, and was not--repeat, NOT--ever a teammate of Jim Rice, who first made it up to the big club in 1974. A quick perusal of baseball-reference.com could've confirmed that fact for Bryant.

Also, whoever it was that edited this book should consider finding another line of work. Rarely have I read a book from a supposedly "legitimate" publisher (i.e., not self published) that contained so many misspellings, grammatical and punctuation errors.

According to the book's jacket, Bryant is a journalist covering the Yankees for the Bergan Record. This tidbit tells me one of two things: either (1) Bryant's writing style is inherently more suited for 600 word newspaper articles than a 250 page book, or (2) the Bergan Record is a crappy newspaper that will hire just about anyone who wants a job.

This book isn't all bad...but it's a whole lot more bad than good. I don't think I've been more dissapointed in a book in quite some time. I give this two stars; it would've been one, but I'll give Bryant credit for coming up with an intriguing topic, despite his inability to do it justice.

My rating of four stars is based on my interest level while author Howard Bryant deserves five stars for his in-depth effort on the subject of the Boston Red Sox and the racial problems that have cast a cloud over the storied franchise. The author relates the story of the farcical tryout of Jackie Robinson at Fenway Park along with two other blacks in 1945 with the Red Sox using the excuse they couldn't sign Robinson since he would have had to report to a minor league team of theirs located in the south where he would have had to deal with a segregated society. The same held true for Willie Mays who could have been patrolling center field for the Sox. Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey purchased the team in 1933 and surrounded himself with a trio of cronies and drinking buddies named Eddie Collins, Joe Cronin, and buffoon racist Mike "Pinky" Higgins. It is certainly true that racism was not limited to the Red Sox during the 1950's, but they were last in integrating their team with the signing of Elijah "Pumpsie" Green in 1959, and as long as the specter of Collins, Cronin, and Higgins were involved nothing was going to change. Yawkey, as owner was certainly no leader, as he entrusted his franchise to these three men and passively accepted their beliefs. Author Bryant also goes into detail on the experiences of Reggie Smith, Jim Rice, Ellis Burks, Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd, Luis Tiant, and Mo Vaughn during their stays in Boston. Some of the book covers non-baseball racially related incidents over the years, and how the team has suffered in trying to get free agents to sign with the Red Sox. When Pumpsie Green joined the club in '59 Ted Williams sent a strong message to teammates and other bigots by warming up with Green prior to the games. Seemingly little things like this can loom large when someone is trying to gain acceptance. Green, himself, summed things up quite well in the year 2000 by saying, "Sometimes when I think of the things people like me had to go through, it just sounds so unnecessary. When you think about it, it is almost silly, how much time and energy was wasted hating." This is not simply another baseball book, but one that provides a look into the Boston Red Sox' role in race relations involving their storied ball club. You need not be a fan of the Bosox, I'm not, to enjoy the book.

Another stupid Saddle Club book! The early SC books and a few of the Supers are great, but mostly the SC books are real dumb! This one is hardly about horses or sidesaddle, and more about Stevie who is jealous that a new rider is stealing her boyfriend's attention with her sidesaddle talent and frilly sweaters and pink jodphurs!! It's more about Stevie getting mad and competing than about horses! This is one of the worst Saddle Club books ever!

I think in this book they are acting like little girls. Frilly pink pants, I don't think so. Pine Hollow the next step up from saddle club is where they are muture, so they should me muture in these kind of books!

This book was pretty good. Except I wish it told a little more about actually riding sidesaddle. It seemed as though the author didn't know much about the subject and therefore only included the bit about Stevie's 'improvised' way of riding aside. Usually when you read a saddle club book you learn a little bit of fun information about the different kinds of horsey things that they do. Also, what did it have to do with jumping sidesaddle? Stevie didn't even get up to a canter. Why did it say she tries to jump in the book summary? I don't think that Stevie was even competing with Tiffany, she was just competing with a different side of herself that she thought might work better for her. Although, it was okay-Read it for yourself!

I don't see why a lot of people think this book was so horrible! I don't see anything wrong with it. I thought it was funny and I also thought it taught a good lesson! And I think that lesson is that you should be yourself because everyone that cares about you now cares about you because of who you are and if you change who you are then you never know how the people who already cared about you would react. And most likly the people that care about you for who you are are the most important people to you. So I think that you sould read this book and give it a try! Like I said it's funny and teaches a good lesson!

This book was pretty good. I thought it was pretty funny and lots of people think that some things were not realistic but hey it could happen. I have been reading THE Saddle Club books for a long time and I think almost all the books are wonderful. One thing I don't like....
1. The cover! I know your not supposed to judge a book by it's cover and you souldn't but the drawings/paitings were much better and the girls in the real pictures look way too young and the girls are acting a little younger too. I have a good suggestion...try the series PINE HOLLOW, when they are older I am sure you will like those.

If I have a quibble with the series (and the Saddle Club one), it's that Phil is just too perfect a boyfriend to be believable. And Alex is just too dull, despite his possessiveness. However, the other male main characters are better drawn, more human and imperfect.

In this book, Lisa is worrying because Max isn't letting anyone ride Prancer (who's pregnant with twins). Carole is obsessed with training a new horse and is neglecting her own. Callie is trying to be a better friend to her old friend Sheila from home, but it turns out that this isn't such a swift move.

This book was quite good- ties up some loose ends. However as the book progresses I started to hate Carole more and more. She would have to be the most annoying character. Also I think that information from saddle club books should be the same in Pine Hollow. An example is the problem with prancer- we were told that this would never happen.

Okay, I'm a diehard horse book lover. Htere's too much other stuff in these but i gueess some readers like that. Can anyone answer me this question--does Bonnie B write all these books plus SAddle Club? How can she? A really cool mystrey (With LOADS of horse stuff) is SHadow Horse by Alison Hart. I read it five times!

Hi Cpaw returns to tell anyone who reads this about Pine Hollow #5. Quite a bit happens in this book. Callie is nervous about her freind Sheila from back home comming to visit, because they had a very competitive relationship when they were younger. Stevie desides to help Callie out and advises her to open up to Sheila, but when she does Sheila writes a tell-all article for national paper. Lisa is going crazy with worry about Max not letting anyone ride Prancer, but then she finds out the mare is pregnant with twins. I was surprised and relived when I read about this, I was glad she didn't have some horrible disease, but later I learnt Prancer died! I havn't read the book yet but I know it'll be great. Carole has cheated on a test to stop her grades falling below a C to keep her riding privliges, and is feeling very guilty. AJ is still acting really weired and Stevie and Phil have to find out why. Also Carole and Lisa have had a fight over Prancer and Carole is getting obsessed with Samson. I reccomend this book to all horse-loving teens, and the whole PH series. I was so pleased when they came out, its such a great series, like a Home and Away on Horseback. (Home and Away is an aussie soap, check it out sometime) anyway, more reviews soon, watch Animorphs, Thoroughbred and any animal story. BYE BYE BYE (Nsync! hehe!)

I thought that the story line was great,but the actual story was a bit sketchy.I first stasrted reading Pine Hollow books when I learned that it involved the Saddle Club's main characters.(Stevie,Lisa,and Carole)Ben seemed like a nice guy and he seems a little shy.Carole is way too obsessed with Samson,the horse, and only Ben seems to notice.When he tries to bring to her suposedly best friends' attention they ignore him and treat him like dirt.I couldn't get over how Stevie talked about if he weren't so weird he'd be happier.Give me a break!

I really liked Callie's character although her brother,Scott, had the better judgement.Her refusal to give up was the best quality.

All in all the book was pretty good.Bonnie Bryant is and always will be a great author,but the characters are way too shallow,selfish, and uncaring.Lisa is the main example.

Most of this book took place in a two-three hour time frame. The party the Saddle Club threw for their friend Emily got out of hand, when a friend of Stevie's brother showed up with beer. Alcohol (big surprise) only fueled the flames of discontent that had been simmering among the friends. Carole also falls further behind in school, due to her working with Samson for the upcoming show. And Stevie helps Callie's brother, who is running for student council president.

I think that this book was a lot more real than the others, and was interesting. I cant believe Carole gives away lisas secret! also, Stevie was really weird to get drunk, not like the responsible practical joker she is.Pine hollow series is great, and i cant wait till #18!

This book is great! It starts off boring but as the party for Emily gets out going, the book really heats up! It was great! As AJ, Phils depressed friend finds beer the party takes a turn for the worst, I won't give much away, but the part about the school election isn't the best. But overall, this book will keep you reading so much, you will be done very fast! I would definatly recommend this book for anyone that loves all diferent elements in a book, comedy, drama and so much more!

I really liked this book. It seemed so real. It seemed totally unlike Stevie to do that...but..oh well. She made a mistake. I think Ben is a jerk though. And I wish some other people would have gotten caught drinking. Otherwise, it was great. Oh ONE more thing...I apsolutley gag every time they talk about the two love birds: Lisa and Alex. Oh well. PRETTY GOOD BOOK!

I was really upset with how this book was written. The whole thing was based around one stupid party that in real life, probably lasted for all of two hours. I was disgusted with all the crazy stuff going on in everyone's lives. Lisa's 40 year old mother needs to get rid of her 24 year old boyfriend, and Lisa wouldn't be too bad off without her overprotective, posessive boyfriend, Alex. I mean, if Lisa even makes eye contact with some one who's cuter (and older) than Alex, he throws a fit and acts like a baby. I was also really mad at how everyone got so drunk. Most teenagers know when to say no, and I think that Bonnie Bryant was trying to use the fact that because two or three people were depressed, everyone got drunk. I really don't like how she writes teenagers off in this book as being depressed, terrible people.