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SGML
XML Distributed Systems Design (kaleidoscope (SAMS))
Published in Paperback by Sams (2002-03-04)
Author: Ajay M. Rambhia
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Useless
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2003-03-22
A book about XML and distributed systems, published during 2002, and no discussion about XML Web services?? Makes me wonder how old the content is. I am an experienced architect and developer on different platforms and I found this book completely useless.

Content good, writing poor
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 2 total.
Review Date: 2002-05-03
The author obviously is a creative and intelligent person and his work presents several fantastic ideas and concepts. However, his writing style is almost stream-of-consciousness. The nuggets of true value in this book must be gleaned from excessively wordy paragraphs and multiple tangents to explain trivialities. The result is that beginners will likely get lost or confused, while the experienced reader will get bored. I would love to see a second edition of this book wherein the content has been edited by an experienced technical editor to clean up the verbiage and make the book more concise and clear.

Agreed its a good work
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2002-03-22
I am in consultancy field from past several years and got my hands on this book last week. It's good. I agree that this is a lasting work, with collection of ideas for applying XML to everything (well almost). I have also done lots of XML work and usually go through almost all the books on the subject, but this one has some extra value. I liked the explaination, which serves both for beginners and advanced modelers. I am also an architect for several systems and was quite impressed with the model presentation. Another important and good thing is that this book does not insist that you know lot about customary UML knowledge. The schematics are simple and easy to grasp for anyone.
You can have this book even on the road, and I promise it would add value to whatever you know about this subject. I would suggest to buy this book for sure.

Awesome book! A must buy for system architects
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2002-03-16
I am a chief architect in consultancy business. I have probably read all XML books released so far and closely looked at all of them. But there wasn't any book on design and modeling. This book is definite go for beginners and experienced architects. It explains the concepts and basics of systems modeling, from XML point-of-view. Good job by the author, as he had explained the core concepts of using XML. This book does not have much of code, but I guess there are enough books on coding aspect. This book deals primarily with application of XML to systems. The chapter on open-system is outstanding and is the part I liked most. I also teach part time and have suggested this book for XML reference and tutorial. The good thing about this book is that it tries to create ideas of applying technology and does not play with toolkits and programming. I believe coding and system architect belong to two different domains. The book also shows some case studies of interest, which are supported by interfaces - good!! I would definitely suggest to buy this book, a good one!!!! :-)

SGML
Movable Type 3.0 Bible Desktop Edition
Published in Paperback by Wiley (2004-11-05)
Author: Rogers Cadenhead
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In-depth and practical
Helpful Votes: 13 out of 17 total.
Review Date: 2004-11-20
Anyone who uses Movable Type on a regular basis needed the book. It covers all of the basics around installation, setting up blogs and writing entries. But then it goes into more advanced topics like alternating the template and adding plugins. And even more advanced topics like RSS, Atom, and writing your own plugins. This is thorough book that is well written and will cover everything you need to know to blog with Movable Type.

Useful but becoming outdated
Helpful Votes: 8 out of 8 total.
Review Date: 2006-01-05
This book is great for experienced and curious users. It's quite technical for lay users and the way information is presented isn't terribly user-oriented.

But the biggest problem is that Six Apart has updated Movable Type in ways that make this book obsolete in some aspects and that make it necessary to translate concepts in others. At this point, it's probably not worth the trouble to buy the book, and also probably not worth the trouble to write this kind of book when updates are so extensive and frequent.

This book is difficult
Helpful Votes: 8 out of 11 total.
Review Date: 2005-03-18
Unless you already have solid experience writing software, you will find this book overwhelming. But it is better than the program documentation. There are few other choices. It looks like it was rushed to press and many of the examples don't quite work on my provider's server configuration, e.g., I don't have access to the unix command line so isn't always easy to envision the file structures. (If you didn't understand the last line, you might consider paying the folks at Movable Type to build your blog.)

But in all fairness, this is a difficult subject to explain. Since personal blogging is so new on the scene, it seems like the blog jargon is still a little fuzzy. Liberal use of Google helps. Since many of the concepts in blogging software are new to me, I would have appreciated a clearer explaination in the introduction, perhaps with some graphic illustrations. Some of the topics here, "Publishing with Movable Type" for example, are filled with examples and terminology that belong in a later section of the book. It would suffice to just give the reader a broader overview of how the software works.

SGML
Web Standards Programmer's Reference : HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Perl, Python, and PHP
Published in Paperback by Wrox (2005-08-05)
Author: Steven M. Schafer
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Great beginners reference book for beginners!!
Helpful Votes: 2 out of 3 total.
Review Date: 2007-05-24
This is a great reference book for beginners... I myself am a seasoned systems analyst and already had books that covered most of the basic topics discussed in this book. There were no real world examples and nothing about the pitfalls of using web standards before they are even supported by popular browsers. Like I said at first, it is a really great reference book; and if you need one to get started, this is it! You will still need a book dealing with the methodology variations in coding.

replaces 6 books [one for each language]
Helpful Votes: 30 out of 37 total.
Review Date: 2005-08-09
How the Web has grown! In doing so, and aiding its growth, has been the use and development of several languages. Naturally, Schafer starts with the language that birthed the Web - HTML. Actually this needs its dual ("twin") on a server, http. But Schafer discusses http in a later chapter devoted to CGI.

Hopefully, you should be able to appreciate that HTML is simple. In fact, of all that the book discusses, HTML is the simplest language. Several initial chapters walk you through HTML. It must be stressed that mastery of HTML is needed to make sense of the rest of the book.

The later languages either extend the scope of an HTML file, or they generate the file, roughly speaking. Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) lets you easily factor out common definitions that are used across multiple web pages, where you can imagine that each web page corresponds to a file storing it. Schafer explains how to use CSS to simplify management of a set of HTML files. A centralised way to set common fonts and the like. More robust.

But HTML is a declarative language. Good, because laymen can more easily understand and write such languages. It's easier to say what should be done, than how to do it. But for the times when you need more expressive power on the browser, Schafer offers JavaScript. A procedural language that actually has nothing to do with Java. [The coincidence in names was a marketing ploy.]

Schafer does not ignore the server. CGI is given, as the first generation attempt at server side code. Its limitations spawned the use of Perl, PHP and Python for easier parsing of user input and generation of new dynamic pages.

Each of these languages (HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Perl, PHP and Python) is often the subject of its own book. No surprise then that Schafer explaining all 6 gave us a book of this length!

Web standards?
Helpful Votes: 9 out of 12 total.
Review Date: 2006-08-08
This is a good book to refresh yourself on the syntax of each language, but don't try to learn web standards from this book! It spends about 10 pages in the HTML language section talking about how wonderful tables are when used to control the layout of your entire site. Anyone with any experience in HTML knows that this is a very bad idea. The Perl section had a few things wrong in the code as well. Overall, I was not impressed with this book. I probably could have gotten better tutorials for free on the internet.

SGML
The Web Wizard's Guide to XML (Addison-Wesley Web Wizard Series)
Published in Paperback by Prentice Hall (2002-06-21)
Author: Cheryl M. Hughes
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great intro book
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 2 total.
Review Date: 2002-08-26
This is a great introduction to XML book. It covers all of the subjects in enough detail to give a good overview, but it doesn't go into too much detail about advanced topics like some intro books do. The illustrations and examples are good for someone who is new to XML. If you are looking to learn the fundamentals of XML, this book is a good choice.

Excellent Beginners Book
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 2 total.
Review Date: 2002-08-26
This book provided an excellent overview and introduction to the XML language. It provides a lot of good examples without relying on too many third party products. It is short enough to get through quickly, but also gives enough technical details to give readers a solid understanding of the topics. I would highly recommend this book to anyone that wants to learn XML.

Worst Technical Book Ever
Helpful Votes: 2 out of 4 total.
Review Date: 2002-08-05
This is the worst technical book I have ever read. The information is wrong in places. The information is far too abbreviated in the entire book. I would not even call this a book. Being very kind, I would call this a leaflet.
Far too many fluff drawings, blank pages and repeated information. Specifically, this book advertises to have 192 pages, but only about 100 pages have relevant information; the last page number in this book is 167, which is at the end of the index. This is followed by 13 completely blank pages.
If you want a book on XML, start with "Beginning XML" by David Hunter. It has all of the details that you need to understand XML. From there, you can tackle XSL, JDBC, etc.

SGML
Abcd...Sgml: A User's Guide to Structured Information
Published in Paperback by Coriolis Group (1995-09)
Author: Liora Alschuler
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Niceties and generalities
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Review Date: 2004-04-28
A good book for managers and other would be nomenklaturist that need to know the general view from the sky about what is and what can you do with SGML.

Almost useless for the techie interested in the internal workings/practicalities of SGML

A readable account of SGML
Helpful Votes: 4 out of 4 total.
Review Date: 1996-12-13

The full title of this book is *ABCD...SGML A User's Guide to Structured Information*; the author is described as "a writer and consultant in SGML and technical publishing", which is an understatement - Liora Alschuler is an authority on, and an articulate advocate for, SGML. I am impressed by her ability to discuss technical matters in plain language, something that should make the subject of SGML accessible to a wide audience.

The Standard Generalized Markup Language is an ISO standard (ISO 8879:1986) that "originally ... was just another way to set type". Since then it has had a tremendous impact on electronic publishing and served as a template for the ubiquitous HTML.

Who uses SGML? There is a formidable user-base that includes DoD (and the defence establishments of many countries), government instrumentalities world-wide, large corporations (including Intel, Butterworth, Ericsson, Standard & Poor's, and Columbia University Press), and even Microsoft (in Cinemania).

This book describes what SGML is, what it is capable of doing - in both print and electronic media - and discusses the question: Should I use SGML? The author's passion for SGML does not cloud her objectivity; she makes it quite clear that SGML is not an appropriate solution for every application, and her in-depth discussion of the issues should enable readers to make informed assessments.

An extensive chapter entitled, Who Uses It?, presents several detailed case studies and some brief "sketches" covering a wide range of applications. A reading of just this chapter, which does not demand any special technical knowledge, will give a clear picture of SGML's versatility and power. If one wants to persuade management to consider SGML, this is a most lucid and convincing argument.

A chapter, Who Needs It?, opens with the sentence, "The truth is, not everyone needs it". The author then discusses in remarkable detail cost-effectiveness issues; this is no superficial analysis, but sets out the questions that have to be answered in order to make a sound, economic decision.

However, to go back to the beginning. The book opens with a chapter, Understanding SGML and Where It Came From, in which the concept, origins, and its development are described. That flows on to the next chapter, which further elaborates on what SGML is and how it compares with other markup systems, DTP software, and Web publishing systems. There is a very good discussion of how SGML can be applied to database-structured data, an application used by Standard & Poor's. Also briefly discussed are ODA, OpenDoc, OLE, RTF, and PDF.

The author then goes on to discuss the tools, such as parsers and editors. An SGML document can be created using a text editor that produces an ASCII file with embedded markup, but there are now specialist tools that produce SGML files. The book contains a considerable amount of technical and other information about a wide range of SGML tools.

There is a common perception, quite erroneous, of SGML as a complex form of HTML. HTML, in the form familiar to Web users, is about short - very short - documents. SGML can be used for the same purpose, but its real use encompasses document analysis, information management, and team work. Web pages (the term, page, is by no means accidental) are usually the work of one person; SGML documents require input from many sources. Under a heading, "Who Does It?", the author lists:

publications manager, product manager, editor, editorial supervisor, managing editor, production manager, production staff, QA/QC, writer, typographer, layout and design staff, and programmer.

The reason for such an army is that SGML documents are forever, whereasWeb pages using HTML (or any other system, for that matter) are ephemeral. "Documents forever" does not mean the same as "diamonds are forever", which refers to the durability of a virtually indestructible object; it means documents that can sustain changes to content without the need to tinker with the SGML engine that eventually drives them. That is what this book is largely about.

The book addresses theoretical issues and practical considerations, even down to costing. It is all very well to be presented with a persuasive argument about the marvellous things of which some new system or technology is capable - but is it cost-effective? Both sides are fairly presented by the author. It is not an SGML how-to book, but an intelligent analysis of issues and a description of resources.

The case studies are illuminating and describe a number of diverse applications of SGML and, importantly, the considerations and experiences of those who chose the SGML path.

The book is an excellent resource and deserves a place in libraries if only for that. It is also a good read - at least, I found it so - that should capture the attention of anybody with an interest in publishing and document management.

Liora Alschuler is to be congratulated on a well-written, well-presented, and comprehensive book about SGML. The publishers have done an excellent job of design; the illustrations are of a high standard and provide a good supplement to the text, the references are a useful resource, the glossary is helpful, and the index comprehensive.

Reviewed by Major Keary

DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed are my own. I have no interest, financial or otherwise, in the success or failure of this book, and - apart from a review copy - I have received no compensation from anyone who has. An extensive chapter entitled, Who Uses It?, presents several detailed

SGML
Sams Teach Yourself Creating Web Pages All in One (Sams Teach Yourself)
Published in Paperback by Sams (2005-05-28)
Authors: Preston Gralla and Matt Brown
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Good for a beginner on a PC
Helpful Votes: 5 out of 5 total.
Review Date: 2005-09-09
Creating Web Pages by Preston Gralla and Matt Brown (ISBN 0-672-32690-6) does start out well. It gives one a great overview of what the internet is and how it works. The book then proceeds to explain the basics of HTML and how to plan out a website in very comprehensive and understandable language. After the first three chapters, you have to skip ahead to find out how to effectively prepare and add graphics to your pages. In between, there are chapters dealing with building websites on Geocities or using Yahoo PageBuilder or Netscape Composer to actually build your site. The problem I had is that everything is really geared to PC - Window based users. I have a MAC and there is really nothing in the author's approach to show that things change and that there are differences between the MAC and PC platforms and how pages may appear.

The last third of the book deals with eBay listings and Blogs. The section about eBay is pretty extensive, giving the reader all sorts of helpful information about everything from finding items to sell to preparing effective graphics to post to pricing and effective ad copy writing. If interested in opening an eBay store, this is a great resource to turn to. Again, the authors explain things thoroughly and in an easy to read manner.

Finally, there is a section about Blogs, which was interesting, since I have never really had a clear understanding of what a Blog was. So while helpful, not something I am interested in creating.

Overall, the book is good for a beginner with a PC. It is excellent if you want to sell on eBay. If you are a MAC user, I'd recommend finding another book.

iconic usages
Helpful Votes: 8 out of 10 total.
Review Date: 2005-07-14
As the web has grown, several modalities of usage have become iconic. In response, Gralla and Brown explain 4 of these. To be sure, entire books are devoted to eBay alone, for instance. But this AllInOne text steps back and offers a consistent thematic understanding. Based on being able to make a web page.

The early part of the book goes over HTML basics. You need mastery of this to proceed. The book then gives the 4 modalities as case studies. You may well not want to learn all of them. But if you are reading this, you're probably interested in at least one. The utility of the exposition is to show how learning the chapters for that can give you skills transferable to the other topics.

Now of these topics, blogging has the skimpiest coverage. This might reflect its realities. Most blogs afford you some graphics that you can alter, as a blogger. Like uploading images. But blogging is primarily textual.

The eBay section is far more extensive. For some of you, it may also be the most compelling. Since unlike the other modalities, this is about directly making money. To this ends, if you are interested in this section, read the descriptions about using images in your auctions. Of all the actions you can do as a seller, providing a good image of your item has been shown, on average, to yield higher bids. This also nicely ties into an earlier section of the book, that discusses using Photoshop to improve your digital photos.

SGML
HTML 4 for Dummies, Fourth Edition
Published in Paperback by Wiley Publishing (2003-02-03)
Authors: Ed Tittel and Natanya Pitts
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Great Book
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2008-04-22
I'm never disappointed with Dummies books and this one is no exception. Great read, easy to learn.

Just another Dummy!
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 3 total.
Review Date: 2007-04-07
As a novice or someone thinking about working with HTML, I think this book was over my head. If one had some background in HTML they could probably make full/better use of its content. Pork Chops and Applesauce: A Collection of Recipes and Reflections

HTML 4 for Dummies
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 3 total.
Review Date: 2007-01-08
I found this item to be informative, easy to follow and well worth the price that I paid for it. The book arrived when I expected it.
I would recommend this book, as a starting point, to anyone who is interested in learning HTML.

A baby steps book
Helpful Votes: 2 out of 2 total.
Review Date: 2007-04-26
This is not a book for jumping into WEB development. It claims to be but it really is not.

It's a good intro book for HTML for the absolute beginner. But, I must mention you have to be a reader versus an examples person. There is a great deal of discussion and only so much code examples. However, it did answer a couple questions.

I found this book good for getting to know what is out there. The book offers useful links to sites for getting more information. This saved time and it offers a "warm fuzzy" since it is suggested versus wandering around the Net.

The book also suggests some tools to use which again saved a little time.

I don't know if I would call this a good reference book. For example, it lightly touches CSS, XHTML and CGI and the design suggestions? Well you probably could get a design book to handle that better as I think they are rather basic in this book.

If you can get it from the library or get it used, it might be worth a look.

If you understand basic HTML, you might avoid it.

and I always thought dummies books were for complete beginners...
Helpful Votes: 5 out of 5 total.
Review Date: 2007-03-10
Caveat emptor to the absolute beginner. This book is not written for the beginning web page creator. It is not written in a tutorial style. It is good as a reference source as you study a true tutorial type book. It discusses tags and their attributes one at a time without showing you how they fit into your web page code. The beginning chapters throw lots of advanced features at you and tell you they will be discussed in chapter 19 etc.
I was completely overwhelmed after 20 min of reading. So what's a beginner to do? I recommend Create Your First Web Page in a Weekend. By the time you get half way through that book then you can use this dummies book as a reference.
william

SGML
The XML Handbook (3rd Edition)
Published in Paperback by Pearson Education (2000-11)
Authors: Charles F. Goldfarb and Paul Prescod
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As good as XML
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2003-08-05
ectetera: creando la necesidad
XML: proponiendo un plan
este y otros libros: creando la coyuntura
Nosotros: los gilipollas

decent
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2001-06-21
The tutorials are very good although the book seems mostly to be a product review with the reviews written by the companys whose products they are.

XML = eXtensive Marketing Leads...
Helpful Votes: 3 out of 3 total.
Review Date: 2001-07-26
...at least that is what the publisher was trying to provide the companies...oops...I mean authors with.

I don't mind the format except that it was written by the marketing departments, and not the people who actually do the work. As a technician I found it useless, insulting, and full of wishy-washy statements (no I can't give you examples because I threw the book away a long time ago). However, they are the kind of statements I'm constantly fighting over today (with our company's executives) like "seamless integration." What does that mean? To my company execs it means no more pain. No more money to be spent. We do XML right? Then why can't we import that document format today? What do you mean we can only handle certain XML standards - "the whole company thinks we do XML, and your telling me we don't!"

This book is part of the "do XML B2B and get rich quick" fiasco of 2000.

I like Charles Goldfarb, but he sold out to the wall street MBA types who have completely unrealistic expectations of what technology can and can not do.

Not really an introduction or a handbook.
Helpful Votes: 6 out of 6 total.
Review Date: 2001-02-15
There are far better books, that cost less, are more concise and
reveal a lot more about XML and the impact it is starting to have on
society. If you are a programmer seeking a technical guide, this is
not for you either.

Not really a Handbook
Helpful Votes: 8 out of 8 total.
Review Date: 2001-11-29
A few years ago, I bought Dr Goldfarb's great "SGML Handbook". I thought "The XML Handbook" would be something similar.

The book contains, roughly, 100 pages of introduction to XML; 250 pages of tutorials on XML and its subcultures; and almost 600 pages of corporate presentations, of varying quality, on various aspects of XML application and implementation.

The introduction and tutorials, although good, didn't have the depth I was looking for.

The corporate bit addresses a very broad range of interesting issues, with varying levels of detail, but never enough to "solve the problem".

So for me, the signal-to-noise ratio was pretty low.

Let me give an example of a major gap in the book's coverage: I had hoped to gain much more insight into the relative merits of using attributes as against using element content; but I finished the book no wiser than when I started (other than having seen some examples where I disagreed with the approach taken).

The CD-ROMs didn't add much value, either: the web has moved on very rapidly.

To add to my disappointment, the production of the book is not of a high standard.

- The rendering of low-level headings leaves a lot to be desired (Ex: I looked at 33.2.2.6.4 on page 480 for fully 30 seconds before understanding that it was a heading). So does that of block quotes, which appear to run on to the following paragraph.

- Many footnotes on a left-hand page with callouts on the previous page make reading a chore (Ex: fn #2 on pp 59 and 60). There is a general disdain for any attempt to keep figures on the same left-right page pair as their references.

- It might have been less irritating, too, to use a single numbering space for all Figures, Examples, Tables, and Spec Excerpts, rather than obliging the reader to work out the sometimes subtle difference between "Example 8-1" and "Figure 8-1".

This book, I understand from the Preface, was itself prepared using XML. Unfortunately, good markup for publishing is of little use without excellent rendering. I got a strong impression of unseemly haste to get the book out before getting the rendering up to scratch. So readability was badly crippled (unlike The SGML Handbook).

One last damn. So far, I've read the book just once. Although I'm kind to books, the cover is already dog-eared and de-laminating. It probably doesn't matter, because, in contrast to "The SGML Handbook", reading this book a second time won't add anything. That's another reason I think it wrong to call it a Handbook.

More in sorrow than in anger, then: two stars for Dr. Goldfarb, zero for Prentice-Hall.

SGML
Sams Teach Yourself XML in 24 Hours (2nd Edition) (Sams Teach Yourself in 24 Hours)
Published in Paperback by Sams (2001-12-18)
Author: Michael Morrison
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An Essential Book to Learn XSLT
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Review Date: 2004-10-22
After taking a beginning XML class where the required reading was the O'Reilly book on XML and XSLT (Learning XSLT) I had become completely frustrated with XML all together. I finally started diving through tech books to try to find something written in English and lo and behold Sams Teach Yourself book came to head.

I did have a current knowledge of XML, but this book shed light on an otherwise dim beginning for me. And the XSLT that is in this book is without a competitor when it comes to breaking down and simplyfing the methods for getting what you need layed out on the page correctly.

This book will NOT give you advanced methods such as MODE or IMAGE includes (which is a shame since these are very important); however, if you need to say, "A-HA" to creating an XML document and linking the XSLT and CSS to the file, then this is the book to pick up, jump in, then jump off into something more advanced.

Disappointed in SAMS
Helpful Votes: 1 out of 1 total.
Review Date: 2003-11-28
I agree with the gentleman above (Mr. Sholto L. Douglas). I am 1/4 of the way into the book and I was so disappointed I just had to read the review on this book, which I should have done prior to purchasing it. However my previous experience with SAMS books had been excellent so I purchased it at a bookstore based on the publisher. I won't make that mistake again. From now on I'll purchase from Amazon AFTER reading the reviews.

As Mr. Douglas states the examples are sparse and poor. I am used to SAMS books providing many concise examples, analogies and exercises that aid in your learning. Not everyone learns best by theory.

Since I have never experienced Mr. Morrison's work my disappointment lies with SAMS. They usually put out a better product. I will return this book tomorrow. There have got to be a number of books that handle this subject better.

Worthless
Helpful Votes: 3 out of 4 total.
Review Date: 2005-01-19
This is one of the worst books I have ever seen.
If not for the fact that it was bought for me, I would seriously look at returning for a refund.

Unfortunatley all I can do is recommend to the schools that I deal that we dump all purchasing of the sams 24hr series.

This book's index, and references to content is so badly done that it had to be done by kids because not even a computer would foul this up so badly.

Even the content itself is inadequate.
Yes I can learn the bare basics of XML with this book, but thats not much more than getting a brocure or similar info of the net for free.

If I had needed real XML knowledge this book wouldnt have even come close. As it is, its not even sufficent for basic knowledge. I know because I have reference material from my job that was better (even without an index on it).

I am surprised that SAMS would publish should a childish publication... My own 12 year old nephew can do a better job of proofreading & editing than the socalled professionals who did this book.

Those reviewers of this book who say its well organized need to learn to read as this book is very disorganized and virtually useless as anything but a $2 primer..
Ie; Its value is equal to a introductory primer that I have gotten in the past (litterally).

I think the bigger problem is not the author but the editors/publishers,proofreaders, who seem to be incapable of reading or scanning or verifying their own work.

I highly recommend not buying any SAMS book ever again.
Especally the 24hr series. The idea of a 24hr book should be that you can learn the subject in 24hr segments (whether clocktime or 24 steps).


An index that tells you page 134 for a item, but you find instead on page 180, or even the endofchapter stuff where it tells you to grab data from another chapter but its acutally yet somewhere else (a different chapter than specified).

I wouldnt consider paying more than $2-$5 for any 24hr sams book, because you will not get your $ value out of it.

I am happy though that I have been successfull in having several schools cancel current and all future dealings with sams 24hr series... Successfully eliminating at least a nice chunk of profit for 'incompetent editors/proofreaders'.


I do wish to point out to anybody considering this book...there are much better books for the same or better price than this.
Again if you must buy this book, get it cheap, say maybe $5 or less, that way you wont feel as ripped off.

want to go bald?...
Helpful Votes: 5 out of 5 total.
Review Date: 2005-01-06
scratching your head so much trying to figure this book out then ENJOY! In 24 hours you too can have all the confusion of XML as you when you strarted the book + be a bald! (at no extra charge to you)

I will have to say if you are interested in reading a book about writing xml code about writing xml code. Then this is perfect for you.

Confused? yeh me too... you'd think if someone spent the time to write a book about writing XML code they might would throw you a few more examples of how the actual code is written rather than spending the whole book talking about the history of XML.

I sort of feel like I could tell you anything about XML; how it started, the cool people who could use XML, I could even tell you what XML wore to SGML's birthday party last year. I couldn't tell you how to write the code sadly enough.

Broad but shallow
Helpful Votes: 8 out of 8 total.
Review Date: 2004-12-11
What's good: a quick summary of major XML technologies, including DTDs, schemas, XSL, SAX, DOM, and more. This book tells briefly what each does, and gives some idea of how the pieces fit together.

What's not: there's not nearly enough here to get a programmer going on a real XML project.

This may help a beginner get a quick, high-level idea of what the big pieces are and how they fit together. Don't expect to get any real work done once you've read it, though.

//wiredweird

SGML
Definitive XSL-FO (The Charles F. Goldfarb Definitive XML Series)
Published in Paperback by Prentice Hall PTR (2003-03-31)
Author: G. Ken Holman
List price: $49.99
New price: $31.84
Used price: $15.00

Average review score:

So many words saying so little
Helpful Votes: 0 out of 0 total.
Review Date: 2007-07-02
Bought this book a couple hours ago. I'm up to page 53 and so far all I've learned is that the author can talk and talk and talk and not say anything useful. This book is extremely painful and I'm not sure there will be any reward at the end. Unfortunately the O'Reilly book on the subject is out of print and this is about all there is ... nothing would almost be better.

Painful experience
Helpful Votes: 4 out of 4 total.
Review Date: 2006-11-03
I bought this book almost two years ago. Everytime I need to do something in XSL-FO I reach for this book. And almost everytime, I am frustrated and disappointed.

When originally learning XSL-FO, I bought this book because there were not too many options on the market and still aren't many. I felt like it made the learning process way more difficult than was necessary. I read two or three technical books per month and can usually absorb them pretty quick. This book does such a poor job of explaining concepts I struggled for a long time. I am really good with HTML, XML, XPATH and XSLT. I also have a pretty good grasp of print layout concepts and terminology. So I believe my struggle was by no means a technical or conceptual struggle. It was simply a problem of deciphering the author's language and presentation style.

As a reference, this book is even worse! It is just a bulleted list of tags and properties. Most are not defined. Two sentences and simple example of each would have made it useful, but that does not exist.

The one thing that could have saved this book would have been the index. But unfortunately, it's pretty bad also. You can't look up things by concept. You have to know what tag or property you are looking for. That's not of much use. For example, you will not find concepts such as bold, italic, underline or capitalization in the index. So if you don't know what tag or property controls those things you're out of luck. And since the author did such a bad job of teaching you're totally SOL.

I have learned XSL-FO through my own trial and error. I've done a lot of XSL-FO work and feel I have a decent understanding of the subject. Looking back on this book one last time, I can say this is one of the worst technical books I've ever bought.

Not a learning tool
Helpful Votes: 5 out of 6 total.
Review Date: 2005-08-11
Minimal examples, very little "big picture" orientation, long reference-style lists with minimal explanation of terms if any, and gives short shrift to how XSL:FO works with XSLT. The omission of fo: prefixes in examples is a an auctorial preference I find particularly annoying. Unfortunately it appears to be difficult to locate alternative books.

Definitive - Yes, Effective - No
Helpful Votes: 6 out of 6 total.
Review Date: 2005-04-12
I'm surprised so many people have given this book a good review. I went with this book after the O'Reilly book was back ordered. What a mistake. The book might cover every formatting object in the W3C XSL-FO recommendation, but it's more like reading just that, the recommendation (which can be found online).

It's a bulleting of objects with minimal examples and sometimes difficult to understand explanations. I'm giving it two stars only because it serves as a useful quick formatting object reference to me at this point.

Avoid this book if you're new to XSL-FO. Otherwise, if you're looking for a reference guide, this might fit what you need.

How did this book get published?
Helpful Votes: 6 out of 9 total.
Review Date: 2004-11-20
There are some exposition paragraphs at the beginning of each topic. Otherwise the book is just page after page of bulleted lists. It's confusing, hard to read, and not worth your time. Read the O'Reilly book on XSL-FO instead.


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